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lemmy.world
Was offered Gemini for the first time this morning after saying Hey Google. Turned it down, as not sure if I can try it but then still go back when Gemini turns out to be crap. EDIT - answering my own question… https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/14554984?sjid=8086039825660807195-EU Switch back to Google Assistant You can switch back to using Google Assistant as your primary assistant on your phone in your settings. To do this: Open your Gemini mobile app. At the top right, tap your Profile picture or initial and then Settings and then Digital assistants from Google. Tap Google Assistant. Bear in mind, if you’re switching back to Google Assistant as your primary assistant: When you say, ‘Hey Google’, or activate your mobile assistant by touch (like when you press and hold the power button), Google Assistant will respond. If your Web & App Activity is turned on, data from your interactions with Google Assistant will be saved to your Google Account. Learn more about how Google Assistant works with your data. Data saved in your Gemini Apps activity will not automatically be deleted, but you can review and delete it at any time.
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sh.itjust.works
$44 a month. Good luck with that. Google will offer Gemini for free until open AI dies of starvation and they will soon have hard time justifying the $20 for most user. I also doubt their Apple deal last 5 years, I would be surprised if the control freak company sees it as anything more than a temporary belt because they were caught with their pants down.
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lemmy.saik0.com
And here I am with a 5 server cluster, 2x custom servers running opnsense for redundancy (8gbps internet connection needs real horsepower for IDS/firewall/routing), and a 36 bay storage truenas node… that’s getting upgraded to 72 bay version for more drives (34 additional drives ready for install RIGHT NOW)… I see your 50 and 38 W… and raise you This 2200-ish watts? Oh… and cooling the servers to keep them to about 75 degrees intake temp. So really closer to 3400 watts. Taking your numbers of 6 watts saved per drive would only save me 180w currently and 432w after I install the additional 32 drives next week. I’d still be in the 3kW territory. … I also have solar… I generate (orange) enough to export (purple) a little during the day… but that’s about it… Battery (light green) usage just kills peak hours. The electrical usage costs me about $100-110 a month in electricity after solar ($0.06 per kWh), probably closer to $150 if solar wasn’t eating up a bunch of it. Less than subscriptions to all the shit that I’m hosting for myself by a long long shot. Forget the family and other users. ::: spoiler More information… Not even remotely necessary to read. Nextcloud - 5TB, google drive is $10/mo for 2TB MSTY - AI stuff, another $10/mo subscription if you want google gemini. $20 for ChatGPT. Minecraft - private, $5 a month minimum. Probably closer to $10 for reasonable specs to do anything with the kiddos. Email - 1TB across all users right now, ~$5 minimum for just me, though I’m oversize for many platforms as I have everything going back to 2006 or so. So probably close to $8-10 for just me. Private search aggregator - apparently a paid service now with the likes of kagi. $10 Home assistant - $6.50 through nobucasa. $46-66 on this stuff alone… Frigate… 8 cameras with corals for inferencing. God know what that cost would be. I keep 30 days of 24 hours, 6 months of detected items and 1 year of snapshots. I’m at 50TB of usage there. This probably could/should be cut down significantly, at least halved. but even 25TB is a fuck-ton of money per month on any VPS/hosted system. Ring’s plan is about half what I’m doing at $20/mo. No idea what other services would end up being. Not even sure how ring and other make money at that cost when storage is expensive otherwise. Paperless-ngx, lubelog, grocy, gramps for organization/documentation would need a VPS service… or migrating to a non-hosted solution (so can’t really be shared easily, or shared through google docs sort of thing). Self-hosted things like lemmy, mastodon, matrix, peertube, etc… VPS costs would be something substantial as well. And business operation stuff like my invoices, jump hosts, secure vms, etc… And lastly, the cost of owning my own data… where no company can spy on me. Or monetize me in ads. Invidious, my own dns with custom rules for me vs the kids, etc…etc…etc… Priceless. Then multiply the parts of the list for other users on my system (wife, both kids, father, etc…) And of course the massive porn collection… Gotta have that on a moments notice. :::
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lemmy.zip
My favorite way to use it has to be the Nuke + Gemini Turret strategy. Toss one nuke at the enemy, drop the other right in front of yourself, immediately pack it back up, wait for cooldown, repeat.
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hexbear.net
Yay I’m glad you’re giving it a spin! Gemini may not be the answer per se, but I think it’s not realistic for anyone to make a new web browser at this point. At least not without extremely deep pockets or being able to use somebody else’s extremely deep pockets. Looking at you servo. The the Web standard is just way too huge, and even servo’s method of breaking the browser down into a bunch of libraries just spreads the massive complexity around, it doesn’t really make it smaller. The idea that somehow a sufficiently motivated open source community can just make a web browser is wishful thinking imo. Maybe Gemini is too limited, but it’s an interesting experiment of a particular line that you could draw. And even at this minimal level of complexity, it’s not trivial to write a Gemini browser. You can make really, really trivial clients, which is cool, but actually building up the whole browser interface is still a relatively challenging task.
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piefed.social
It’s far better at looking at a page of log information and picking out the one bit that explains why the thing I need to work isn’t working Yes. I can post a terminal output into it and it’ll tell me exactly what’s not working and why. And that’s incredibly valuable. Ironically, I used Gemini to help me build a little app that takes a copied YouTube link and uses yt-dlp to download it to my Jellyfin server in a format that’ll play nicely on my Apple TV. I can’t imagine how I’d approach achieving that if I had to start from scratch.
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lemmy.ml
Ja, genau, der Markdown-artige HTML-Ersatz heißt Gemtext. Also wirklicher Vorteil ist bestenfalls, dass es simpel ist. Hier ist ein Beispiel-Austausch in Gemini: Client schickt: gemini://example.com/ Server schickt: 20 text/gemini # Example Title Welcome to my Gemini capsule. * Example list item => gemini://link.to/another/resource Link text Alles nach der ersten Zeile des Servers ist schon Inhalt. Das ist eben so simpel, dass es komplexer wäre, wenn du einen bestehenden HTTP-Browser anpassen würdest, um zusätzlich Gemtext zu unterstützen. Auch mMn sehr eindrücklich ist, dass das hier die vollständige, formale Definition des Gemini-Protokolls ist, und das hier die vollständige, formale Definition von Gemtext. Das ist 'ne nette Nachmittagslektüre. Also ja, HTTP ist im Kern auch nicht wahnsinnig komplex, aber wenn man alle Eventualitäten unterstützen will, dann wird es doch schon komplexer. Mal von der Technologie abgesehen, und wo es auch extrem subjektiv wird, ob man das als Vorteil ansieht, ist Gemini eben auch bewusst ein bisschen abgegrenzt vom World Wide Web (mit HTTP und HTML). Stattdessen baut es sich seine eigene kleine Welt (“Geminispace”) auf, die bewusst nicht alle Möglichkeiten des World Wide Web bereitstellt. Zitat z.B. von der Gemini-Webseite: Gemini isn’t about innovation or disruption, it’s about providing some respite for those who feel the internet has been disrupted enough already. We’re not out to change the world or destroy other technologies. We are out to build a lightweight online space where documents are just documents, in the interests of every reader’s privacy, attention and bandwidth. Was in der Praxis daraus gemacht wird, ist natürlich nochmal was anderes. Also gibt durchaus mehr-oder-weniger-ernst gemeinte Stimmen, die von “Burn the Web” sprechen, weil halt so viel des World Wide Webs kommerzialisiert ist. Spätestens jetzt mit den ganzen KIs, die alles zu-spammen, was irgendwie monetarisiert werden kann, passiert das ja auch schon teilweise von selbst. Und dann gibt es eben auch mittlerweile eine kleine Community, die sich im Geminispace findet. Der kleinste, gemeinsame Nenner bei Interessen ist eben Technologie und Nachhaltigkeit, aber man kann auch alles mögliche an Blogs dort lesen und darüber dann die Leute kennen lernen.
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aussie.zone
I watched a guy use gemini to do a delicate system edit then melt down on Fb when he bricked his home automation system. When people told him to stop using fckn gemini he started just blindly clinging to people and demanding answers from them instead (“I have three blinking yellow lights. What does that mean???”). You can’t fix stupid desperation
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feddit.org
I’m not sure if you’re disagreeing with the essay or not? But in any case what you’re describing is in the same vein, that is simply repeating a word without knowing what it actually means in context is exactly what LLMs do. They can get pretty good at getting it right most of the times but without actually being able to learn the concept and context of ‘table’ they will never be able to use it correctly 100% of the time. Or even more importantly for AGI apply reason and critical thinking. Much like a child repeating a word without much clue what it actually means. Just for fun, this is what Gemini has to say: Here’s a breakdown of why this “parrot-like” behavior hinders true AI: Lack of Conceptual Grounding: LLMs excel at statistical associations. They learn to predict the next word in a sequence based on massive amounts of text data. However, this doesn’t translate to understanding the underlying meaning or implications of those words. Limited Generalization: A child learning “table” can apply that knowledge to various scenarios – a dining table, a coffee table, a work table. LLMs struggle to generalize, often getting tripped up by subtle shifts in context or nuanced language. Inability for Reasoning and Critical Thinking: True intelligence involves not just recognizing patterns but also applying logic, identifying cause and effect, and drawing inferences. LLMs, while impressive in their own right, fall short in these areas.
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sh.itjust.works
Upvoting because the FAQ genuinely is worthwhile to read, and answers the question I had in mind: 7.9 Why not just use a subset of HTTP and HTML? I don’t agree with their answer though, since if the rough, overall Gemini experience: is roughly equivalent to HTTP where the only request method is “GET”, the only request header is “Host” and the only response header is “Content-type”, plus HTML where the only tags are , , , through , and and
Then it stands to reason – per https://xkcd.com/927/ – to do exactly that, rather than devise new protocol, client, and server software. Instead, some of their points have few or no legs to stand on. The problem is that deciding upon a strictly limited subset of HTTP and HTML, slapping a label on it and calling it a day would do almost nothing to create a clearly demarcated space where people can go to consume only that kind of content in only that kind of way. Initially, my reply was going to make a comparison to the impossibility of judging a book by its cover, since that’s what users already do when faced with visiting a sketchy looking URL. But I actually think their assertion is a strawman, because no one has suggested that we should immediately stop right after such a protocol has been decided. Very clearly, the Gemini project also has client software, to go with their protocol. But the challenge of identifying a space is, quite frankly, still a problem with no general solution. Yes, sure, here on the Fediverse, we also have the ActivityPub protocol which necessarily constrains what interactions can exist, in the same way that ATProto also constrains what can exist. But even the most set-in-stone protocol (eg DICT) can be used in new and interesting ways, so I find it deeply flawed that they believe they have categorically enumerated all possible ways to use the Gemini protocol. The implication is that users will never be surprised in future about what the protocol enables, and that just sounds ahistoric. It’s very tedious to verify that a website claiming to use only the subset actually does, as many of the features we want to avoid are invisible (but not harmless!) to the user. I’m failing how to see how this pans out, because seeing as the web is predominantly client-side (barring server side tracking of IP address, etc), it should be fairly obvious when a non-subset website is doing something that the subset protocol does not allow. Even if it’s a lay-in-wait function, why would a subset-compliant client software honor that? When it becomes obvious that a website is not compliant with the subset, a well-behaved client should stop interacting with the website, because it has violated the protocol and cannot be trusted going forward. Add it to an internal list of do-not-connect and inform the user. It’s difficult or even impossible to deactivate support for all the unwanted features in mainstream browsers, so if somebody breaks the rules you’ll pay the consequences. And yet, Firefox forks are spawning left and right due to Mozilla’s AI ambitions. Ok, that’s a bit blithe, but I do recognize that the web engines within browsers are now incredibly complex. Even still though, the idea that we cannot extricate the unneeded sections of a rendering engine and leave behind the functionality needed to display a subset of HTML via HTTP, I just can’t accept that until someone shows why that is the case. Complexity begats complexity, whereas this would be an exercise in removing complexity. It should be easier than writing new code for a new protocol. Writing a dumbed down web browser which gracefully ignores all the unwanted features is much harder than writing a Gemini client from scratch. Once again, don’t do that! If a subset browser finds even one violation of the subset protocol, it should halt. That server is being malicious. Why would any client try to continue? The error handling of a privacy-respecting protocol that is a subset of HTML and HTTP would – in almost all cases – assume the server is malicious, and to disconnect. It is a betrayal of the highest order. There is no such thing as a “graceful” betrayal, so we don’t try to handle that situation. Even if you did it, you’d have a very difficult time discovering the minuscule fraction of websites it could render. Is this about using the subset browser to look at regular port-80 web servers? Or is this about content discovery? Only the latter has a semblance of logic behind it, but that too is an unsolved problem to this day. Famously, YouTube and Spotify are drivers of content discovery, based in part due to algorithms that optimize for keeping users on those platforms. Whereas the Fediverse eschews centralized algorithms and instead just doesn’t have one. And in spite of that, people find communities. They find people, hashtags, images, and media. Is it probably slower than if an algorithm could find these for the user’s convenience? Yes, very likely. But that’s the rub: no one knows what they don’t know. They cannot discover what they don’t even imagine could exist. That remains the case, whether the Gemini protocol is there or not. So I’m still not seeing why this is a disadvantage against an HTTP/HTML subset. Alternative, simple-by-design protocols like Gopher and Gemini create alternative, simple-by-design spaces with obvious boundaries and hard restrictions. ActivityPub does the same, but is constructed atop HTTP, while being extensible to like-for-like replace any existing social media platform that exists today – and some we haven’t even thought of yet – while also creating hard and obvious boundaries which forment a unique community unlike any other social media platform. The assertion that only simple protocols can foster community spaces is belied by ActivityPub’s success; ActivityPub is not exactly a simple protocol either. And this does not address why stripping down HTML/HTTP wouldn’t also do the same. You can do all this with a client you wrote yourself, so you know you can trust it. I sure as heck do not trust the TFTP client I wrote at uni, and that didn’t even have an encryption layer. The idea that every user will write their own encryption layer to implement the mandatory encryption for Gemini protocol is farcical. It’s a very different, much more liberating and much more empowering experience than trying to carve out a tiny, invisible sub-sub-sub-sub-space of the web. So too would browsing a sunset of HTML/HTTP using a browser that only implements that subset. We know this because if your reading this right now, you’re either viewing this comment through a web browser frontend for Lemmy, or using an ActivityPub client of some description. And it is liberating! Here we all are, on this sub sub sub sub space of the Internet, hanging out and commenting about protocols and design. But that doesn’t mean we can’t adapt already-proven, well-defined protocols into a subset that matches an earlier vision of the internet, while achieving the same.